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What is it?

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Topic: What is it?
Posted By: John-G
Subject: What is it?
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2014 at 15:22
I brought this off Ebay the other day, I don't know why, just curiosity. I have had a look through Putnams German WW1 book and cannot see this machine or is it French?

Cheers

John-G



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Posted By: WrightBrother
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2014 at 16:22
John, Looks like a Henry Farman F.27, poss a later model?

Peter Wright.


Posted By: WrightBrother
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2014 at 16:24
John, Looks like a later model of an Henry Farman F.27.

Peter Wright.


Posted By: John-G
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2014 at 20:28
Hi Peter,

Thanks I will try and see if I can find another source to confirm it.

John-G

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Posted By: AndyK
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2014 at 21:09
Hi John

The Farman F.27 had no wing stagger, which this chap clearly has.

I think what you have here is a Voisin 4 (or LB), which was a Voisin 3 modified to take a 37mm canon and powered by a 120hp Salmson M.9. The French used a few escadrilles of these for various duties during 1915 & into 1916; initially as fighters, but later, more successfully, as night fighters and ground attack.

Cheers,

AndyK


Posted By: John-G
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2014 at 22:50
Thanks Andy, I'll have to try and find some reference source.

john-g

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Posted By: albatros1234
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2014 at 04:40
i do believe andy is correct in saying this is a voisin although i think it may be a 5 with salmson engine. all of the voisins look similar with the 4 wheel undercarrige but the shape of the nacelle leads me to say it is a later version, but definately voisin.


Posted By: John-G
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2014 at 08:28
Thanks albatros1234, do you have a drawing of photograph that might clarify the identity?

John-G

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Posted By: NickForder
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2014 at 09:20
I would say that is it a Voisin VII. I think that this website has a similar picture of the same aircraft (marked 5) -
http://www.elgrancapitan.org/foro/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=17605

The Voisin VIII night bomber has fuel tanks mounted between the wings, viz 
http://www.aviafrance.com/voisin-viii-aviation-france-958.htm



Posted By: AndyK
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2014 at 12:37
The photo you've located there is almost certainly the same aircraft as John's. Probably a different shot in the same photo session - good find!

However, it's not a Voisin 7 - check out Davilla's French Aircraft of WW1. Assuming you trust him as a source, it's definitely a Voisin 4. The 7 had the wing tanks, like the 8. The forward fuselage shape we see in John's pic is specific to the 4, designed to allow full movement of the 37mm gun.


Posted By: NickForder
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2014 at 17:09
I was sent a list of corrections for Davilla that runs to several pages, but we'll not get in to that just now... I've tried to make sense of French aircraft designations, so Davilla & Soltan have my greatest sympathy.
http://pages14-18.mesdiscussions.net/pages1418/aviation-1914-1918/voisin-canon-sujet_526_1more.htm
has some more photos and seem to refer to it as a Voisin Canon - which Harry Woodman says is a Voisin Ca 5, the cannon-armed version of the Ca 4, itself a development of the Type V3 or LA. GB1, GB2 & GB3 were escorted by these Voisins during the autumn of 1915. There was an inconclusive combat with a German aircraft on 20.5.1915. V101 & V110 had them on the Verdun front in 1916. Six were in front line service on 22.8.1915, and 25 by 1.2.1916.


Posted By: John-G
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2014 at 19:10
Thanks for everyone's in put. Looking at the picture Nick found it looks the same to me.

I am trying to post the script on the back of it with out much luck, i'll try again later.

Cheers

John-G

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Posted By: John-G
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2014 at 20:04
Text on rear of photo







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