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The book -Seaplanes-Felixstowe- has arrived... great read! Thanks for drawing my attention to it. There is a story on p 61 about the rescue of another Wright- G L Wright- that vividly illustrates the need to improve the structural strength and integrity of the H-series hulls. It humanises the story of Porte's technical efforts.
I'm still looking for early stories of the H-4 and 8 boats that illustrate their lack of combat capability though!
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Suggest G Snowden Gamble's "Story of a North Sea Air Station" (Yarmouth),"The Spider's Web" by TD Hallam, and 'To The Ends of the Air" by GE Livock for flying boat ops stories.
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Nick,
Thanks for the refs... Snowden Gamble's and Hallam's are really good on post-1916 stuff; i.e. mainly about Large Americas and the same with Gordon Kinsey's book I have just acquired... I guess its back to Kew and FAAM for another patrol. I'll follow up on your third recommendation.
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Nick (or should that be Two Nicks?) I've just received 'Aeronauts and Aviators' in the post...page 101 shows both F-B houseboats.. I remember them both but it must have been the deck of the Atalanta upon which I spent most of my time. page 93 also refers to the crash of F.5 N4044 that crashed at felixstowe killing its pilot Edwin Moon and Albert Fyfield. There are reports on accident at Kew that I am slowly writing up on this accident.
"Aeronauts and Aviators" by Christopher ElliotAero
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Nick, lovely pictures and an interesting story.
Your picture captioned DH9? is not a DH9. Even though it appears to have British markings on the rudder it looks like a captured german aircraft, but I can't say which without a bit of searching.
The Short 184 S229 is serial No 8087 assuming the constructors numbers are sequential with the serial numbers in a batch. Its demise is described on page 144 of the book.

I recently found that my Great-Uncle was on the Isle of Grain in 1918, though what he did as a Stoker 1st Class I don't know. He was transferred in the RAF, but he transferred back to the Navy in 1919

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Nick, the DH9?. I think it is an Albatros B.II. It was not a captured aircraft, it was impressed in august 1914 and given serial 890. It was used mostly at Grain, and despite several crashes survived until late 1917/early 1918
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Thanks Steve
That solves the mystery.
I never would have thought of considering a foreign type. I believe there was an article in The Aeroplane July 2010 by Philip Jarrett called "The Allies' Albatros" and I'm trying to get a copy from their archive as the back issue mag is out of stock.
There's also a picture of the Grain B11 in a website called  Tondernraid.com which I'm sure you are aware of.

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Alabtros BII (100 hp Mercedes) impressed by RNAS August 1914 under Contract 49949/14 and numbered 890.
27.3.1914 Arrived at Hendon by lorry for tests
5.8.1914 Impressed at Immingham by/on this date
13.8.1914 Deleivered to Grain for defence
25.12.1914 Chased Friedrichshafen seaplane
7.2.1915 Engine failure on take off, ran in to dyke and turned over (F/Lt HR Busteed slightly injured)
11.3.1915 to Grain repair station
Fitted with floats
13.5.1915 Grain by this date
26.5.1915 Anti-Zeppelin patrol (FSL EdeC Hallifax & AM Bunn)
24.6.1915 Fell in to harbour and badly damaged (FSL WG Moore unhurt)
4.4.1916 Test ARD Port Victoria after repair
5.4.1916 Returned to Grain
11.5.1916 Kingsnorth
12,5,1916 Grain
8.2.1917 Visited Detling
28.7.1917 Damaged following forced landing
26.9.1917 Grain Type Test Flight
7.4.1918 Deleted.
 
The Royal Navy had a DFW Arrow also, impressed from Beardmore's and given the serial 154. It was grounded in 1914 because of potential problems with recognition, and the assumption that it was being flown by a German.
 
This was a 100 hp Mercedes aircraft, purchased from Germany in March 1914 under Contract CP 36909/14.
17.3.1914 Brooklands
25.3.1914 Accepted at Brooklands (Lt CH Collet RMA test & regular pilot)
3.6.1914 Delivered Eastchurch
8.8.1914 Eastchurch defence by this date
11.8.1914 Eastchurch Mobile Squadron at Skegness by this date
23.8.1914 Killingholme by this date
28.8.1914 Immingham by this date 
6.10.1914 Dismantled
8.10.1914 Eastchurch
20.2.1915 Deleted - parts to Killingholme
19.6.1915 Wormwood Scrubs - instructional airframe ? 
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