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    Posted: 20 Jun 2016 at 22:01
This picture shows the aftermath of a crash near Dover, Kent. In it is my GG Uncle Fl/Sgnt Sidney Charles Griggs (centre). Why it is so posed I'm not sure! Can anyone identify the aircraft? BE2c perhaps?

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http://www.rafmuseumstoryvault.org.uk/archive/griggs-s

is all the RAFM History Vault has on him. No Casualty Record Card.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote NickForder Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Jun 2016 at 09:37
Griggs must be part of the 'clear up' party. Note that the officer in the maternity jacket has no wings.
In addition to the information posted on the Beet thread, 'Contemptible Little Flying Corps' has:
29.9.1909 Enlisted, formerly 19349 Sapper, 59 Company, Royal Engineers
28.12.1912 Posted to 2 Squadron on transfer to RFC.
9.9.1914 AM1 4 Squadron, France.
10/11.3.1915 DCM awarded (LG 3.6.1915)
Russian 3rd Class Medal of St George (LG 25.8.1915), as Sergeant, 5 Squadron, 2 Wing
https://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1915/1915%20-%200626.html?search=Griggs
1.9.1916 (WEF) Promoted Flight Sergeant (painter).
1.4.1918 RAF Muster Roll Chief Mechanic.
29.9.1927 (WEF) RAF LSGC, Flt Sergeant.

Griggs appears to be a Corporal in the picture. Annoyingly, his hand obscures where his DCM medal would be, but the photo must be late 1914/very early 1915.

The wing of the crashed aircraft is broad chord, without ailerons, and no obvious strut attachment points: Bleriot XI on a ferry flight to France ?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 354 Griggs Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jun 2016 at 20:31
Thanks Nick, your information is gratefully received. I don't really have any expert knowledge to bring to the forum, I only have my GG Uncle's photos and service record from the RAF coupled with the desire to know more of what he did.
If you think posting up more photos would be useful I'll do so.
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Not a Bleriot .Spot the four bladed prop and an in-line engine.
No ailerons so could be a BE2 a/b ?
the civilians look like they're auditioning for "Cider With Rosie".
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 354 Griggs Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Jul 2016 at 17:18
Hopefully this makes it easier to identify:
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Wonderful photo. Surely a BE of some type?

Edited by whiskymac - 02 Jul 2016 at 21:42
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 354 Griggs Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Aug 2016 at 18:50
Whatever it is it was "another one of Capt White's crashes"
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"Whitfield near dover 1916."
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 354 Griggs Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Aug 2016 at 19:59
This one is easier to identify even if its the wrong way up! No evidence it was one of Capt White's. :0)





This one beggars belief!


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